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Ventures of Faith: Navigating The Unknown With God
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Season 5. Episode 5

Walking by Faith: A Journey of Trust and Obedience

The Foundation of Faith in Leadership

My role as the pastor of Calvary Church in Aurora, Colorado, began in 1999, and it has been a testament to the power of God working through simple faith. Moving to Colorado was a glorious step into the unknown, a decision steeped in trust that God’s plan would unfold as it should. This reliance on faith has not only guided my decision-making process but has also been a cornerstone of my personal and professional growth. Feedback, both positive and negative, has been instrumental in this journey, shaping me into the leader I am today.

Pastor Bob brought his unique perspective to our conversation, emphasizing the importance of obedience to the Word of God. Walking by faith, as Bob eloquently put it, involves both turning away from sin and actively pursuing righteous actions, such as loving our enemies. He drew upon the rich tapestry of biblical narratives, like those found in Hebrews 11, to illustrate the centrality of faith in understanding and aligning with God’s will.

The Foggy Road of Faith

One of the most interesting analogies we discussed likened faith to driving through fog. When the road ahead is obscured, it’s faith that allows us to continue forward, trusting that clarity and direction will come from God. This analogy captures the essence of faith—vulnerability, dependence, and trust—even when the future is anything but clear.

The Transformative Power of Faith

Throughout our podcast, Bob and I delved into how faith has been a transformative force in our lives and ministries. We encouraged our listeners to adopt faith as a guiding principle, especially when faced with life’s inevitable uncertainties. The stories we shared from our own experiences served as a testament to the impact that faith can have on one’s character, leadership, and relationship with God.

Embracing the Unknown

I reflected on the continuous need to walk by faith, a principle that holds true regardless of one’s age or experience. The natural inclination is to walk by sight, to want to see the end from the beginning. However, walking by faith is about trusting God to arrange the details in His perfect timing and manner. It’s about embracing the unknown and the challenges that come with it, as part of our discipleship journey.

Bob shared his struggles with the pressure to figure everything out and the false sense of peace that comes from attempting to control situations. He acknowledged the difficulty of living by faith, especially in spiritual leadership, where the temptation to rely on human effort is ever-present. Bob stressed the importance of resisting the urge to control and instead finding peace through faith in God.

Ventures of Faith and Practical Steps

We also discussed the concept of ventures of faith, inspired by our pastor, Chuck Smith. The excitement and challenges of allowing God to work through our willingness to step out were central to this part of our conversation. We warned against presumption and the pitfalls of pouring energy into endeavors that may not be in line with God’s plans. Celebrating God’s leading in successful ventures and humbly retreating from those that don’t align with His will is crucial, without trying to force success through human effort.

Bob provided a tangible example of faith in action, recounting a mission trip to Siberia where individuals were encouraged to take incremental steps of commitment, trusting in God’s provision. The lesson was clear: take the first step without knowing the next, embracing the uncertainty and reliance on God’s guidance that comes with missionary work.

A Daily Practice of Faith

We concluded the episode with a powerful reminder that walking by faith is a daily practice. It’s not about resting on past achievements or dwelling in the “glory days.” Each day presents a new opportunity to step out in faith and trust in God’s leading.



Host (00:00:06) – This is Lee to serve with Ed Taylor, a leadership podcast.

Ed (00:00:11) – Hey, welcome again to another episode of the Lead to Serve podcast. My name is Ed Taylor, the pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora, Colorado, coming up on 25 years serving the fellowship family here. Calvary chapel started in 1999, the day after Christmas. And nobody told me, you’re not supposed to plan a church and have a Sunday service the day after Christmas. But people came, and we’re grateful for all that God has allowed us to be a part of. Just like for you, listening in all that God has allowed you to be a part of. Isn’t that amazing? I’m your host for Lead to Serve. This is season number five, episode number five. And you know our goal. It’s worth repeating. Our goal is to help you grow in your servant leadership so that you’ll glorify God and all that you do. And here’s the key the better. We know this according to Mark ten verse 45,, Jesus came not to be served, but to serve and to give his life a ransom for many.

Ed (00:01:15) – , we want to be the greatest servants that we possibly can. Like, that’s where we want to grow the better servant you are, the better leader you will become, and the better leader you will become, the more broader your servanthood will be. And these times together design to discuss important topics. And that’s the greatest. One of the greatest pieces of feedback that we received in the seasons of Lead to Serve is that folks really like you guys, really like the interaction,, in the discussion part. So we’ve changed it used to be and I still do episodes from time to time where I’m just going to share some things, but there’s discussions going on and this is where I get the opportunity to once again,, welcome pastor Bob Clay Kemp. Good to be here again in studio with us. He’s making the time to be here for all the episodes, and we’re grateful for that. And of course, Kevin, our producer, the Lord is good. So we appreciate all the work behind the scenes that Kevin also does.

Ed (00:02:09) – And producing,, our program. And then Julia,, she’s the voice,, and we thank her for recording our intros and outros., she’s the voice that,, spent invested her time in recording that. So thank you, Julia, for your faithfulness unto the Lord. And together, it’s lead to serve Caesar number five. It’s been something that was born in my heart. I believe the Lord gave it to me,, to bring you in to discussions. That’s really what this is. We. These are the kind of discussions we have in our pastors meetings. These are the kind of discussions we have in my office., this is a real discussion. It is not scripted. I think by now, you know that it’s not scripted. We got a few notes here to keep us on track, and we know the topics that we’re going to talk on, but it’s not we’re not reading off a script or we’re just talking out loud, and sometimes we get stumped., it was like, oh, I don’t.

Ed (00:03:00) – Yeah, and that’s okay. We get stumped. Sometimes we goof off., sometimes we laugh., we probably cry on the way home, but,, it is it is real life, and we want to help you. And so remember your feedback, your ideas for shows, any of that you can text me (720) 608-0012 that will hit my phone in my pocket (720) 608-0012. Or you can email me ed at Ed Taylor org ed at Ed Taylor org and I think Bob your email is Bob at Calvary Coat Church. Bob c Bob C so Bob C at Calvary Coat Church. Either way, we will share emails related to, if you involve either one of us, related to lead to serve. So email us. You have feedback. You have questions. You want to hear an episode, tell us about it. What are you thinking? What would you like us to address?, what would you like us to talk about? And remember, our perspective is pastoral ministry. We’re pastors. That’s what God’s called us to do between the two of us.

Ed (00:04:12) – 80 years of ministry experience, many of them pastoral in our service under the Lord. And I think I’m at 28 years,, pastoring., and you’re well over 40. I mean, all 54 of those years, would you say? I mean, I was teaching Proverbs when I was 19 years old. What do I know?

Bob (00:04:35) – At 19, I’m like one year old in the Lord, and I’m teaching Proverbs as if I know what I’m doing.

Ed (00:04:40) – So I think I think you know this already, but for the sake of people listening,, I was saved in 91. In 1992, I taught my first Bible study, that it was actually recorded., and as we were doing one of the episodes, Matt,, he met one of our team members here, converted it into an MP3 for me. And on the way home today, I’m going to listen to it later this year. And I’m just curious because I was already teaching the Bible. Not very well. I mean, hopefully I’ve improved over the years, but not very well.

Ed (00:05:13) – But God that God would, that God would let us step into and just even our even though we probably were not very good at all. That’s what I’m expecting. Sure., he let us.

Bob (00:05:24) – I’m talking about.

Ed (00:05:25) – Me. I’m talking about me. I’m talking about us. I’m. I agree with you. And you can agree with me. I know it’s true. And it’s no offense at all. I. I know that in one sense, I had no business doing that. In another sense, God said, that’s is your business. This is going to be the rest of your life. Editor. And let’s just start now and let’s learn. I and I had a lot to learn. One quick story and then we’ll get into our text. But it kind of run or not our text, but our topic, it kind of runs into the topic because later on, Calvary Chapel Downey is where I was,, I was invited by one of the pastors to teach a devotional at a men’s conference, men’s retreat, which was huge.

Ed (00:06:07) – Like that was huge back then. We probably had, I don’t know, 200, 300 men there. I and to to to be entrusted like, oh, I couldn’t believe it. I and and then I found out, you know divas at men’s retreats. There’s 300 guys there. Five people show up. But hey, man, those are the five people that want to be there., and so small crowd, small group. I gave the devotion, I preached my heart out. And, you know, the guys went off to eat, take showers, whatever it was not. I don’t know what the Lord did. I don’t remember any feedback or anything, but I do remember a man by the name of Jean Jeannie Jean I. He was a a genial, like a real nice guy, really soft spoken,, and just very helpful. He came and had one of those conversations with me because. Hey, hey, that was good. Good devotion. And I’m like, okay, some feedback, right? Some good.

Ed (00:07:08) – Puts his arm around me. He goes and sits down with me and he says, all, you know, a couple of good things. And then and then he ends up saying, but. And he began to share some feedback with me that was really, really hard to receive because I felt like I had a Grand Slam and in a very kind. He was very kind. Don’t misunderstand me, Jean Garcia. He was very kind, but he was basically saying, you know, you fouled that one. You fouled that one off. That was not a grand slam. And and in his ministry to me, though, he I believe, was taking a step of faith, which is the topic of our conversation today on walking by Faith. You want to be more effective. You want to be more usable. You need to step out in faith., he shared his feedback with me and he says, if you’re interested, I’ve been going through these videos with a guy teaching you how to teach, and I think it’d be really good for you.

Ed (00:08:04) – And I’m willing to buy you the book and I’ll give you the I’ll let you borrow my VHS cassette tapes, because I think it’ll be really, really good for you. And I’m like, okay, like nobody has shared that with me. And that book,, it’s titled Seven Laws of the Learner by Bruce Wilkinson. That one book and that one episode with Jean, which, by the way, I’m still in touch with Jean to this day. He has family in Pueblo, so every time he comes and visits, he stops by with his wife, Lee, and they come to service. It’s been a few years, but but still in touch with them. But that one book. But this brother taking a step of faith to do something hard, doing the hard things, looking,. Completely revolutionized my whole approach to teaching. That was the little bump that I needed at that season in my life to. Because my my heart was there, I was eager. I wanted to be better, I wanted you.

Ed (00:09:00) – I wasn’t going to take it personal, although it hurt. It was a fateful of the wounds of a friend, right? It hurts because I poured my heart into that. For those five people that woke up for that devo like I was their man. And I felt this was my life. This is my this is what God has called me to do. And I man, I nailed it, knocked it out of the park. And basically Gene goes, yeah, you know, I know you thought it went that way, but you actually it went that way. At least I didn’t strike out. But and that one book. So he came, you know, and that I still read that book. It’s part of our school ministry here. When anyone that takes a school ministry where he gives you all those practical. So for the sake of those of you listening, you know, we were talking about Bob used to go and how did you get there? Well, you know, pastors have a way of taking a circuitous route to where we’re going.

Ed (00:09:50) – But pastor Bob just shared that 54 years, really legitimately, he was in pastoral leadership. And yeah, you’re like, do you really belong in pastoral leadership in the first year? I mean, yes and no. If God put us there, then yes. Are we equipped? No.

Bob (00:10:06) – It was during the Jesus Revolution. That’s right. And so it was like, you know, you’re available. Let’s do this.

Ed (00:10:13) – It’s it’s interesting that God would entrust us. And so that led to me thinking, I taught my first Bible study, I’m going to listen to it. And then along the way, God has put people into our lives. And this brother Gene took a step of faith to tell me a hard thing, kind of fitting some of the episodes that we’ve looked at already. If you want to be effective and usable, you need to learn how to take steps of faith., what are your initial thoughts like? What do we mean, Bob? What do you what comes to mind?

Bob (00:10:41) – Well, a step of faith is stepping into obedience to the councils of the Word of God.

Bob (00:10:48) – That’s the first step of faith when the Bible. Clearly points out something is like a behavior is sin, then a step of faith. Is saying okay by faith, even though it’s been a habit of mine, even though it’s it’s not merely behavior modification, it is obedience to God. And there is accountability. And so that first step of faith is saying, I am not going to purpose going in that direction again. But there’s also the steps of faith that are positive things where you love your enemy. That’s a step of faith because it’s not based upon feeling or natural reaction, because the natural reaction to an enemy, an enemy that is hating you, an enemy that is despising you, an enemy that’s slandering you. Yeah, the reaction is retaliation or or sense of injustice and all, but but the obedience to his counsels bless those who curse you, do good to those who do evil to you. Pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you, so that you might be sons of your father in heaven.

Bob (00:12:09) – Because that’s what he has done with us. He pursued us when we had every behavior that appalled His Holiness.

Ed (00:12:17) – I was thinking of Paul when he was writing to the churches in the Galatian region. He he shared with them, are you so foolish that what has begun in the spirit you’re going to perfect by the flesh? And as I think through these topics, as it begins to develop a theme for this particular season, these are all areas where we start. We start in the spirit. We start doing the hard things. We start well, and if we’re not careful, we won’t end well. And this walking by faith almost sounds simplistic, I wonder. And they’re not listening now because I’m thinking, I wonder how many people skip this episode because I mean, well, come on, what? I don’t need to talk about walking by faith. I already know I walk by faith, but there’s an aspect of walking by faith where it’s God calling us back to the basics., stepping by faith or walking by faith means that my whole trust is upon the Lord at least as much as I can.

Ed (00:13:16) – I don’t know what any of us can say. We’re 100%. I’m never 100%, but I’m really wanting to put myself out there so that I’m vulnerable and I’m dependent, and I’m trusting in God when I don’t see the future. Like I don’t know what the future is going to hold right through this decision. I just believe God wants me to do it right.

Bob (00:13:37) – And in Hebrews 11,, it says, now faith is the substance of things hoped for. Substance means that you have something tangible. But your faith is is considered tangible of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. And the very first example it says, by faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. By faith we understand. And so there is a decision that you make that. The councils and the Word of God. Are put there by the Holy Spirit and by faith. I hold them as as my understanding, as my worldview.

Ed (00:14:33) – I was reminded of this passage as you were talking in. We often refer to a just quick, quickly refer to a walk by faith and not by sight. It’s Second Corinthians, chapter five, verse seven, but the context is interesting. And Paul puts this phrase in a very familiar context, even though we don’t always remember it. In verse six he says. So we are always confident knowing that while we are at home in the body were absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith and not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased, rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. And what Paul sees right now is his body. What Paul sees is his difficulty, what Paul sees as his challenge, what Paul sees as his decaying body. But he lives by faith in the unseen, the absence from his body, the new body, the eternal state. And that is the greatest thing to live by faith. And then when we live by faith and trusting God for our future, then it establishes us in our present condition, where even if we don’t see something, but we know it’s up ahead, like God’s blessing, God’s affirmation, God’s confirmation today, the way that we get to that this morning was a great a great example.

Ed (00:15:55) – This morning. I don’t know how it was up north because you came in from up north. I come into the office from down south. But when I woke up this morning, very foggy. Kind of reminds me of my Southern California days where the marine layer would come in and every morning it’d be foggy. I remember it actually brought memories of walking to school in the morning as a kid, or walking in elementary school in the fog and in the fog. It wasn’t so thick that I couldn’t see ahead. I could drive just fine, but it was thick enough where what normally was my sight. When I drove in, I couldn’t see it was my view was blocked and that’s how life is. We don’t know what the future holds. We don’t know what tomorrow brings. Next week brings. We don’t know. We make a decision today. We don’t know what the future brings, but the gap between the decision today and the future. It’s faith, and it’s not faith in the future. It’s faith in God of the future.

Ed (00:16:54) – Like I made the decision, I’m dependent upon the Holy Spirit. It doesn’t contradict the scriptures. I don’t know how it’s going to turn out, but I do believe I had to do it, or I had to make it, or I had to be there. I had to send that text. Everything we’ve been talking about until I see the result. I live by faith. Not only that, I did what God called me to do, but I trust him with whatever the outcome is going to be.

Bob (00:17:17) – Every day, every week, every month, every year of your life. As a believer, you are required to walk by faith, and the Lord will allow challenges to that. Because we have a tendency to want to walk by sight, because that’s the opposite of walking by faith is is you walk by sight,, where you’re just trying to figure it out and, and see the end result. But walking by faith is you’re trusting God to put the details in the place at the right time, in the right way.

Bob (00:17:53) – , and he has no obligation to tell you the details until you need it. You know, I’m almost 73 now, and it is. I’m required to walk by faith still and to take steps of faith still in my life, not to prove anything, but because that’s just part of discipleship. Yeah, it’s.

Ed (00:18:11) – Part of our life. As as I’m thinking through on Walking By Faith, the phrase that comes to mind, you used it where I know that I’m veering away from my trust in God. Is this pressure I feel to figure it out. There’s. There’s a peace. A false peace that I’ve developed over the years and a bad habit. And I’m sure people listening in, especially pastors, elders, spiritual leaders, especially in the church., it’s hard enough in the world, but it’s super hard in the church to live this way because we have this false sense that if I figured it out and I know it kind of like a troubleshooter, then I can control it. And it’s not faith.

Ed (00:18:58) – When you’re controlling everything, you don’t know what they are. You don’t have every piece of information. You know, I think one of the brothers here, Randy, one of the pastors here,, he would always remind me of something his pastor taught him., he said if we only knew what God knew, we would only want what God wants. Yeah. Yeah. I think the brother that taught that as Pastor Rick Ferguson, who’s also gone home to be with the Lord, but if we knew what God knew, then we would only want what God wanted. And we don’t always know. We don’t know all that God knows. And yet we if we figure it out, we come to the false conclusion that somehow we do know. And we’re trying to figure out faith. And I don’t know. This may not resonate with everyone, but some people it will resonate. I have a tendency in my own personal walk with the Lord to feel more comfortable when I have the answer to things than I do, depending upon the Lord.

Ed (00:19:54) – Like, I would just rather know if I make this decision, then I’m always looking at my contingencies and I’m always. It’s probably my training in the corporate world a little bit. It’s probably my personality. It’s probably my flesh that instead of the peace that God promises, even as we were in Davos today, the peace that God promises by faith in him, I would rather have a false peace that, oh, I’ve got all figured on. I know this person’s going to do this and this person going to do that, and I really don’t know anything. No, truly.

Bob (00:20:23) – And it’s all just people will fail you. Yeah. And walking by faith is it’s not that it’s wrong to have seasons where, wow, look what the Lord did. And and you can see it and, and you look back and it all makes sense. And then we have this, this way of saying, oh, yeah, I knew God was going to work it out. Come on. Liar, liar. You know, he didn’t know what was going on.

Bob (00:20:46) – And and yet God did it and it looked. And you look back and you go, that made so much sense, you know, thank you for. For being faithful and and thank you for not telling me ahead of time, because I know what I would have done if you had told me ahead of time.

Ed (00:21:02) – Yeah, I one of the things I only have a few minutes left, ten minutes or so that we can spend some time on this. But walking by faith includes taking steps of faith, and I don’t. I don’t believe a episode talking about this would be complete unless we factor in our own pastor, pastor Chuck Smith, and the phrase that he helped us remember this taking ventures of faith. Let me read to you a quote from him, and we can just briefly talk about it, because here’s the word, here’s what I think is happening. You’re listening to me right now. You made it this far. And here’s the word of the Lord to you. You haven’t taken a step of faith in a long time, and that’s what you need to do.

Ed (00:21:43) – You might be walking by faith and daily trusting him and the best that you can and yielding to him. But here’s where it’s been lacking and why things are stagnant and why. Perhaps you’re upset and frustrated and why you feel like you have no help, and why all of that could could be dissipated or lessened if you just take a step of faith. So here’s what pastor Chuck Smith says, and I quote. It’s always an exciting thing to give God a chance to work. God wants you to be a part of what he’s doing. God doesn’t want to stop working. So it’s important for us to discover what he wants to do. I have found that the way we discover how God wants to work is to venture out in faith. We need to step out and see what the Lord might do. But as we step out in faith, there has to be a guard against presumption. A lot of people who test the waters to see what God might want to do, make a serious mistake by falling back on human effort when God’s hand is obviously not in it.

Ed (00:22:42) – Sometimes we can get so committed to something that our reputation seems to be on the line. Then we start pumping out extra energy and extra effort into a program that wasn’t from God to begin with. I ventured out, he says many times, only to discover that God wasn’t in it. What do you do then? You retreat. What gets us into trouble is when we proudly say we’re going to make this thing succeed. We find ourselves spending all of our energy trying to create something that God isn’t a part of, and it can just rip you up. When I step out in faith, if it succeeds, I rejoice and say, great, the Lord led me. If it doesn’t succeed, I step back and say, I thought it was a good idea, but it sure fell on its nose. So I think that there are certain precautions that one must take in any venture of faith. What are your thoughts, Bob?

Bob (00:23:33) – Perfect, perfect. Yeah, that’s exactly right. And and,, when things work out, you know, it’s it’s exciting when things don’t work out.

Bob (00:23:48) – , boy, it brings up all kinds of questions, and you can even doubt,, your ability to even hear the Lord. But if you if you start there. Boy. It’s. It all comes unraveling. So,. You know it. You have to take step one step. Step faith means you take step one and you don’t know what the next step is. You. All you know is that I’m supposed to take this initial step, and then we’ll see what happens. And when we put together short term teams for,, going on missions,, we, we help them to do that step by step. And we went. And in the 90s we, we took a team to Siberia to, to see Russian, to minister to Russian youth prisons. And so we took a team from our church. And so we had them, those that were interested in being part of this team. I want you to. If your way was completely paid and money wasn’t an issue, do you feel like God wants you to go? And so they they say, you know.

Bob (00:25:00) – I want to do that. I said, okay. If after you’ve prayed about it and there’s this sense of rightness that I would like to be involved in that. Then your first step of faith is putting down a non-refundable deposit. And so we’ll take a step one. And so that that first deposit is your commitment saying, God, I feel this strong enough that, that I want to make an initial commitment and maybe it doesn’t work out, but, you know, I’m going to let go of this and I’m not getting it back. And so it was a it wasn’t a like a large amount, but it was a step of faith. And then the next step of faith is okay in this in this cost. There is we divide it into thirds. There’s one third. And that date is due. I want you to pray between now and that time. And at that time, your next step of faith is, okay, I’m going to send this $1,000 to help cover the tickets. And.

Bob (00:26:03) – And then when, when and then also during the time we talked about what the whole vision was and what would be some of the logistics of it all and some of the unknowns that would be there. But then there were like steps of faith. And and so we ended up taking this team, including my wife, which she almost got left behind in.

Ed (00:26:22) – Siberia, in Siberia, in the middle.

Bob (00:26:24) – Of Siberia. We almost lost.

Ed (00:26:25) – Her.

Host (00:26:26) – Yeah, that’s another story.

Ed (00:26:29) – This is a different podcast altogether. Yeah.

Host (00:26:31) – Yeah. Right. But but step.

Bob (00:26:33) – By step and and my whole life, looking back, it’s always been a,, that initial step and then seeing what’s next because I don’t know. I mean, it’s the land of I don’t know, being a missionary is a land of I don’t know.

Ed (00:26:47) – You reminded me of that passage. And I want to end here because stepping out in faith,, is so important. And I was reminded of Jeremiah when he’s talking about the not being poured from vessel to vessel and how important it is that we are in a place where we don’t want to be at ease, like Moab.

Ed (00:27:08) – , in Jeremiah 4811,, it says Moab has been at ease from his youth. He settled in on his dregs and has not been emptied from vessel to vessel, nor is he gone into captivity. Therefore, his taste has remained in him, and his sense has not changed. He’s basically rotted by because he is not been poured from vessel. Vessel. Of course, Moab is not connected to the covenant God like he’s outside of the covenant of God. And because of that, he doesn’t. He hasn’t had the kind of experience. That’s why judgment is coming., but here it is in the new living, it says. From his earliest history, Moab has lived in peace, never going into exile. He’s like wine that’s been allowed to settle. He’s not been poured from flask to flask. And now his fate. And now. And he is now fragrant and smooth.. And and so poured from vessel to vessel,, settled on his dregs, not been poured. He’s been allowed to settle.

Ed (00:28:14) – And that’s a sad place to be. I don’t want to be allowed to settle. Now. That’s my. That’s the spirit of speaking. But I know circumstances happen where I do want to settle. I mean, I there are days I wake up and I don’t want to deal with another problem or I get decision fatigue. I noticed this in my own life on our trips to Israel when we take tours to Israel. That so many even with a team, you know, we have a worship leader, we have an administrative team. My assistant comes we we run the trip to best that we can to make it the best for everyone that goes, but sometimes much earlier, but usually about halfway through and all the way to the end, I get decision fatigue like there are so many decisions to be made there. Not bad. And it’s not it’s not anyone’s fault. It is just one of those trips. You’re taking care of people. You’re in a foreign country and is this ice cream okay? And is this okay? And what about this? And and it’s just normal stuff.

Ed (00:29:13) – Nothing bad. But so many decisions, so many decisions. I, I find that it takes a little bit longer back here, but I find the same thing where there’ll be days I wake up. I just know I just want to settle. I just want peace. I want,, I want to be able to rest. But there’s a dangerous like. So, you know, I don’t want to be misunderstood because we’re at the end of the episode. Like, rest is good. You need to take rest. I don’t mean that, but I do mean. And when it comes to taking steps of faith, I never want to be in a place where I’m so settled that I don’t take steps of faith. I don’t venture out anymore. I phone it in as like we talked about in a previous episode. So this is another episode Lead to Serve. You have a final thought. So Bob’s got one final thought.

Bob (00:29:58) – Yeah, the final thought is in the past you’ve taken steps of faith, and now you’re not doing it because you’re just always thinking back on what you used to do and how glorious it was.

Bob (00:30:09) – And you’ve stopped. You’ve stopped going forward because you think that you’ve paid your dues. Well, that’s not how it works. You’re supposed to take steps of faith every day until the Lord takes you home, right?

Ed (00:30:21) – And that is a danger in everyone’s life, but especially in our own family of churches, where all we hear about is what happened 40 years ago and 50 years ago. I know things have happened since then, but those were the glory days and and what we need to learn is the glory days are every day. Today is the day the Lord has made. And while we while we are excited about what I mean because I can do the same thing. Although I wasn’t there 54 years ago, I was there 30 years ago and I can look back and look back because it’s very meaningful to me., but it was an episode and I’m not living in episode. I’m living a life. That’s right. And I want that. So thanks again for tuning in to another episode of Lead to Serve.

Ed (00:31:06) – , remember, you can text us directly., text me directly. 72060800127206080012 that hits my phone. You can also email me ed at Ed Taylor. Org that’s Ed It has to be org. We’re open to suggestions and feedback. and you know leave a good review Spotify. you know Apple Podcasts however you get your podcasts Google podcasts because it helps put it before more eyes. And it also helps people when they’re looking for a leadership podcast that they’re looking to grow and they want to be more effective in ministry., these also get re-aired on radio stations,, around the country,, or at least here in Colorado., and I know that people pick up through the podcast around the country. So and I welcome you on that., this is the Lead to Serve podcast., we’ll be back next time with another compelling topic in season number five. So I guess the word that we leave you with today is take a step of faith. Just go for it and trust the Lord. Walk by faith and not by sight.

Host (00:32:18) – Thank you for joining us for this episode of Lead to Serve with Pastor Ed Taylor, a leadership podcast from Calvary Church in Aurora, Colorado. If you have a leadership question you want to hear answered on a Future Lead to Serve podcast, please email it to Pastor Ed at Calvary Coat Church. And if you like our podcast, please subscribe, rate or review us on iTunes and share us with your friends on social media. Thanks again for joining us, and we’ll see you next time right here on the Lead to Serve podcast.


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