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Season 5. Episode 6

The Art of Presence: Lessons from a Life in Ministry

A Grandfatherly Voice in Our Midst

As the Lead2Serve podcast host, I’m excited to share some interesting insights from a recent episode that really encouraged me and our listeners. I had the honor of welcoming back Bob, a seasoned servant with 54 years of ministry experience, including church planting and mission work, to our show.  Bob and I are partnering together with the podcast, and the feedback from this season has been overwhelmingly good, positive, and encouraging!

First off, a big thank you to all of you for your positive feedback and collaboration. Your engagement through sharing, reviewing, and praying for our podcast has been invaluable. It’s a testament to the power of community, and I’m truly grateful for the connection we’ve built together.

The Desire for Greater Fruitfulness

During our recent episode, Bob shared a word that God gave him for this later season of his life. He spoke about a desire for greater fruitfulness in his later years, a sentiment that hit home with many of us. It’s a powerful reminder that no matter what stage of life we’re in, we can always aspire to make a significant impact.

The Power of Being Fully Present

One of the main topics we discussed was the importance of being fully present and attentive to the person in front of us. This is especially crucial in ministry settings, where every interaction can carry eternal significance. Bob and I shared personal experiences highlighting how distractions and a lack of attention can negatively affect our relationships and interactions.

Overcoming the Desire for Recognition

Reflecting on his past behavior, Bob acknowledged the need to overcome the desire for recognition. Instead, he emphasized the importance of truly listening and engaging with others. I, too, shared my struggles with multitasking and the realization that true presence and attention are essential in building meaningful connections.

Trusting in Divine Appointments

We wrapped up our conversation with a reminder to prioritize the person in front of you and to trust in divine appointments. Walking in love and being fully present with others, regardless of external distractions or pressures, is a calling we must all strive to fulfill.

The Significance of Undivided Attention

We emphasized the significance of giving undivided attention to loved ones, including children, as a form of discipleship and a demonstration of agape love. It’s crucial not to devalue their importance by being distracted or dismissive. We also addressed the challenges of ministry, highlighting the importance of tending to people, even in difficult situations.

The Value of Paying Attention

Throughout the discussion, the value of paying attention to others and its impact on relationships, ministry, and discipleship were stressed. We encouraged listeners to prioritize the people in their lives and to approach interactions with love and attentiveness.



Host (00:00:05) – Welcome to today’s broadcast of Lita Serve a Leadership podcast with editor Taylor.

Ed (00:00:11) – Welcome again to another episode of the Lead to Serve podcast. My name is Ed Taylor. I’m the pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora, Colorado. By the way, Aurora is a Denver suburb. We’re on the east side of town. If you’re thinking, you know, if you’ve ever flown into the Denver airport, were directly below the airport,, south. And I’m your host for the Lead to Serve podcast. This is season number five, a season that I think is going fantastic. The feedback’s great. The input is great., the fruit has been wonderful. So thank you for your response., thank you for,, texting and emailing and calling and collaborating with us. The way you collaborate is you give us ideas. You give us good reviews so that the algorithm will get the podcast in front of the right people., you collaborate by praying for us,, by mentioning it and sharing this on your social media, forwarding it, maybe a topic that you really minister to you.

Ed (00:01:14) – You might want to use it. Discipleship fries with your team., there’s so many ways that you can collaborate with us, and that’s before we ever even talk. I mean, if you need help, you can email me ed at Taylor org. And we have a team of men here ready to serve, ready to help, ready to encourage pastor Bob. He has even more time available to him. If it’s possible he could even come out and help you at your church, maybe do an assessment or come and fill in for you if you need a week off to teach. He’s a part of something an organization known as Pointman Ministries. So he has all this freedom. When he’s not scheduled. I mean, for a guy that has a lot of freedom, he also has a very full schedule at times. So if you call him or email him, you can just contact us through the podcast. We’ll get you in contact with him and you could talk to him as well. 50 years of ministry experience through a couple different generations.

Ed (00:02:11) – He’s planted churches. He’s been on the mission field., he served,, as a hippie because he was a hippie., and how to live in ministry at a house., just a wealth of ministry experience. Bob, welcome to the program.

Bob (00:02:27) – Yeah, absolutely. Great to be here.

Ed (00:02:30) – You’re a voice. You’re here because,, feedback and and you in particular. So it’s two, two parts of the feedback of one why you’re here. One is,, people a lot of people wrote in asking for the conversation style to continue. They like that, and I do too, because you never know where it’s going to go. But another piece of feedback is they really appreciated you,, as part of the conversation. Now, of course, I haven’t had really anyone else on, so they really, really do like you, but, and they do they appreciate your input, even as we do here., we if you don’t know the story about Bob,, you know, he’s been in ministry for 54 years.

Ed (00:03:08) – He planted a church, handed it off to a young man in North Phoenix. He was there for 29 years, had a little gap of ministry, and then launched off into the mission field in Exeter, England, six and a half years. Then he came back and he’s been serving here on our team in Aurora for four and a half years. But the the way he lands in Aurora, part of the story is I was in our team here. I was just praying like, you know, on the way to the office and the way back, I felt like the team was hearing enough of my voice. And they certainly do. A lot of discipleship goes on here. A lot of input goes on here. But I was praying for a particular person., and it’s interesting, there’s two people that I prayed for, both clay camps,, end up being clay camps. One was Bob and one was his son. But for Bob, I was driving around really asking the Lord. Lord, we need a grandfatherly voice on our team.

Ed (00:04:07) – We need a voice of wisdom. We need a voice,, an austere voice.. And,, just like maturity and like mindedness. Like, even though Bob and I didn’t really know each other all that much. Although we met in,, I went to the mission field, served with his son. But that like mindedness. But a voice that we could all receive from that we could all take in that is different from mine. But it it it resonates with the Holy Spirit. And, you know, through a whole series of events, including a medical crisis., Bob ends up praying about leaving Exeter, and he’s praying about two locations, and one of them’s Aurora. And God has led him here, and his wife Jeannie. And they are such a great addition., even more, you know how the Bible says, Bob, that God wants to do exceedingly, abundantly above all we can think of us? I mean, it was even more that’s what prompt it was, that voice.

Ed (00:05:01) – And you certainly have given us that voice. But you and your wife have brought so much to this church, it’s unbelievable. We’re so we so appreciate you and Jeannie. It’s unbelievable how God has used your giftings. And and you’re a little bit older., you shared that in an earlier episode., you’re 73,, in the latter season of your life. And what? Tell us, just for the sake of maybe younger guys that wonder if there’s a future for them, or even older guys and gals tell us,, because I know it already. But give us a real thumbnail of the word that God gave you for this latter season of your life.

Bob (00:05:35) – Yeah, I think it was in reading,, Alan Redpath book on his devotional commentary on the book of Joshua and just seeing Joshua and Caleb and their heart and their attitude., the whole focus was I’d been we had been used a lot in the prior years, but we of the tendency is just to slow down and chill out and,, take it easy in your latter years.

Bob (00:06:05) – But that didn’t make any sense with Jesus command to lay up treasure in heaven. And so the prayer that became ours, probably in the late 90s, it started that our latter years would be more fruitful than our former years. And don’t try to figure out what that looks like. Let the Lord determined, because it all has to do with his glory and not our. It doesn’t mean a larger church. It doesn’t mean anything like that. It just means it’s up to the Lord on what that looks like, because he he is the one that’s in charge. And yeah.

Ed (00:06:43) – Do you see God fulfilling that or do you think it’s still elusive?

Bob (00:06:46) – I can see a greater measure of how he’s using us, but yet I can’t stop there. I can’t land on that. I have to stop trying to figure it out. Right. Because that’s been my nemesis and that’s that.

Ed (00:07:05) – That what we were saying in the last episode about pastor Chuck putting a place against presumption and really having this stop this check to make sure I’m moving forward, moving forward, moving forward.

Ed (00:07:16) – Right., I always like to remind you, like, I always like to remind you of the fruit that I see in your life and the abundance of fruit. Although I don’t have a comparison to the to the previous, I don’t need a comparison because I see what God’s doing now. And one of them is this. Have you ever listened to a podcast before, like, let’s say five years ago? Have you ever listen to a podcast? No. Maybe. Maybe four years ago. Like, did you ever. Yeah, yeah. So then think about did you ever think about you’d be a prominent,, speaker on a podcast. And yet God knew that. Yeah, he did. And God knew he would multiply part of your ministry right through this technology that you weren’t even praying about in the 90s because it didn’t exist.

Bob (00:07:55) – Yeah. I mean, we had no idea we’d be going to England, right? It was never on our prayer list, you know, why would God do that when we never had it on our prayer list?

Ed (00:08:02) – And one of the fruitful, if I if I’m speaking in order here, one of the fruitful parts of the ministry was not merely the church, but all the young people you guys were ministering to in your house.

Bob (00:08:12) – International students were just, you know, it looks random. But then you look back and you see the it’s kind of like, you know, those connect, connect the dots books, you know, by the numbers. You know, the kids figure out what this is. That’s kind of how it is. That’s that’s how it was over there. You know, it’s just part of the adventure. And it’s still it’s always going to be that way.

Ed (00:08:31) – Yeah. Well, let’s get to the topic today of great stuff. Just talking ministry and life together. We’re in episode number six. And the title or the emphasis is you want to be more effective, you want to be more usable. Here’s a practical piece that is so important, and that is you need to pay attention to the one that’s in front of you. You need to pay attention to the person that is in front of you. There are a couple aspects of this, but let me give you one of them and then I’ll let Bob give.

Ed (00:08:58) – Another that we have jotted down here. But this is a Bob. I’m sure this has happened to you because you and I have been to a lot of conferences together, a lot of pastors conferences, a lot of leader conferences, a lot of a lot of gatherings of people. And hopefully we haven’t done this, but there’s a good chance that we have. But certainly it’s been done to us and it’s this and I’m going to use you as an example, even though you didn’t do it to me, say, hey, Bob, how are you doing? What’s going on? How’s your life? How’s ministry? How’s Jeannie going? And you give me these quick answers, but you never really look me in the eye because you’re looking over my shoulder. Yeah, and you’re waiting, you know? And you kind of stopped me in the hallway here, and. And I know you, and we kind of know each other, but I see pastor so-and-so about 30ft behind you, and that’s the guy I really want to talk to.

Ed (00:09:54) – And so, you know, get done with your questions really, really quick here because I need to swim past you.

Bob (00:10:01) – So true.

Ed (00:10:02) – Because I’m going to try to connect with that guy. And I don’t even know if I can connect to him because I don’t really know. But he’s a lot more important to me right now than you are, for whatever reason., it could be good. It could be bad. A lot of times it’s not good. And I don’t think I’m being subjective here. And you can correct me. That’s I’m throwing it out there because this is a pet peeve of mine, and it bothers me because I don’t want to be like this because it’s happened to me. So like, if it’s more subjective, I’m willing to hear from you. I really do think it’s objective. I this has happened countless times to me where I have not. I’m in a conversation. Somebody asked me a question about my life or something. I’m starting to give you my. And they’re not even paying attention to me.

Ed (00:10:45) – Yeah. And it happens all the time. But conferences in particular, what are your thoughts about that?

Bob (00:10:50) – Well, it’s true, I’m guilty. I’ve done it myself. And it’s just,, I look back on it, I think about it. And what was the issue? The issue was,, my own need to be recognized. I mean, I’m guilty. I’ve done it. But then I know what it’s like on the other side. When,, you come up to somebody, you have a real serious issue, and they’re looking at you, and then they’re looking over there, and then they’re looking at you and then looking over here, and it just makes you feel like you’re not so important. Right? And, you know, I’m taking this guy’s time. Why am I even here? And it’s not walking in love. Now I’m talking with someone who’s communicating to you their details. Sometimes I feel awkward just staring at their face for five minutes. And so I’ve got. I’ve got to kind of.

Bob (00:11:43) – Or when I’m trying to talk, I’m trying to think. And so I’ll look up or I’ll look away. And then I’ve watched them turn their, turn their head and, and try to see who I’m looking at. Right. Which is not I’m not doing that at the time, but I and so each individual is different. And it really comes to the point where you, you just focus on the person in front of you and you got to trust the Lord with all the rest of it. God. God sets up divine appointments and this person’s come to you. Give them your full attention.

Ed (00:12:19) – And I would agree that there’s a distinction between looking over your shoulder and really looking past you to want to connect with someone else, or talk to someone else and just. Carrying on a conversation where you can’t stare at somebody. And I think there’s a distinction between that, that if we pay attention, we can see the difference. But the reality is, is that the most important person in your life.

Ed (00:12:47) – Is the person that’s in front of you. I as a pastor, as a leader, as a servant. It’s not to get through someone, it’s to give full attention to. To be fully present with the person. I’ll give you an example as a parent that I’ve made massive failures out in the early days. As a parent, I would take my kids to the park. I would push them on the swing. I would climb on the monkey bars with them while I was on the phone., as a pastor, young pastor, or even when I was working in the corporate world,, when they introduced cell phones and there was some crisis. And I really did believe that I could do two things at once, that I could be present with my kids and also take care of some crisis on the phone. But I couldn’t, and neither can you. You can’t do two things at once, and I don’t mean that you can’t literally do two things at once. What I mean is, you can’t do two things well at once and to be fully present with my kids.

Ed (00:13:51) – Yeah. It’s true. I was pushing their back on the swings, and in one way I was fulfilling that. But is that all they really wanted was a mechanical pushing on the swing, or did they want me to be there with them on the swing? Did they? And you know, we’re not talking about my kids complaining or,, or even holding it against me later in life. But as I’ve grown up and now I get to disciple others, this is a key. Whether it’s your kids, whether it’s people in your church, whether it’s someone you’re serving, the person in front of you is literally the most important person. I think of Jesus. I have this painting in my office where the woman comes and touches the hem of his garment he was throwing. The Bible says with people he was there was a massively crowd. Nobody knew anybody. It was a pressing, pressing, pressing. But everything stopped. Who touched me? And she received all the attention in a crowd of hundreds, if not thousands.

Ed (00:14:48) – Who knows how many people were there? She received because she was the most important person in the moment. Yeah., it doesn’t mean that, again, you’re listening to this go. Well, wait a minute. The most important person is my mom. Or is my wife. No, no, no, no, we’re talking different categories here. This is not we’re not comparing apples to oranges. Of course, there’s value of people in your life in one category. But when it comes to serving in ministry, I’m just saying it’s flat out, pastor. Stop it. Stop looking over people’s shoulders. Stop minimizing someone’s value in front of you and pay attention to them. Get their name. Get their story, pray with them,, minister to them, follow up with them. But don’t don’t look over their shoulders or over their head to somebody you think is more important. Pay attention to the one that’s in front of you. Why? Well, like you mentioned,, interruptions are often divine appointments.

Bob (00:15:41) – That’s right. And sometimes,, poor old Jairus. Time was of the essence. And Jesus took time with the woman which jeopardized his situation. And there are times when people will think wrongly about the fact that, you know, or they’ll walk by and they’ll want our attention.. And then they’ll come to the wrong conclusion. And you’ve got to be secure in yourself that, you know, they they will think what they think. But I have a clear conscience before the Lord. Yes. And so you walk with that rather than the fear of man or what? You know what they’ll think. I mean, I had people in Phoenix that came to me and said, how come you’re so upset? What are you talking about? He says, well, you walked by me. When there’s a scowl on your face, you know, you know, you’re mad at me and I’m going, no. Actually, at the time, I just heard this news and I’m trying to figure out how to process this news.

Bob (00:16:38) – And I just walked by you. I didn’t even think about it. You know, as a leader, devote your full attention to the person in front of you.

Ed (00:16:46) – I want to be careful here to clarify. We always want to be careful, like it’s not. We’re not talking about every single action, every single eye movement. We’re not trying to freak the freak you out. This is the heart eye. When I’m disciplining the guys here, I want to serve with men here. I’m trying to get to the heart of the matter. The heart of the matter is, is if you care about the person in front of you, all the other things are going to follow. You can’t fake this because it’s very obvious, very obviously seen. When you’re faking caring and compassion. It’s very obvious what I’m talking about here. It’s just one little example, but what I’m talking about here, it is obvious. Like it’s even sometimes I go, you know, excuse me. And, and let’s make room for the fact that maybe I, I, I’m on my way to see someone and you stop me, and I’ve got to get over there.

Ed (00:17:34) – That’s different. I mean, we’re talking. Hey, Bob, how are you doing? Oh. It’s great., and then, I mean, I’ve had I remember one you just reminded me of one when we were at a Marietta,, Calvary Chapel Bible College campus conference. And this pastor, everyone would know who he is. I’m kind of nervous because I don’t really know him. And we’re talking and we start a conversation. And I mean, he just stopped talking and walked away and went to another person. Another prominent guy that you would know. And I’m just like, okay, I guess I’ve.

Bob (00:18:07) – Had that happen.

Ed (00:18:08) – It’s like, you know, it wasn’t even he didn’t even close the conference. It didn’t even, like wind it down or anything. He’s like, I’m done with you. And and why do I know you’re done with me? Because I’m walking away without a word. Yeah.

Bob (00:18:21) – Oh, yeah.

Ed (00:18:22) – Mid-sentence.

Bob (00:18:23) – That happened fairly recently, actually.

Ed (00:18:25) – And,. Yeah, I don’t and I and so when I think of that, I’m not.

Ed (00:18:29) – It doesn’t matter what other guys do. They’re not my servant. It matters what I do, and I’m I want and I want to hit this more often than not. I want the person in front of me to be the most important one right now. Yeah.

Bob (00:18:43) – Now let’s bring this around to the family, okay? Because I’ve been guilty of this when my wife is trying to talk to me, I’m in the middle of something and I’m trying to figure it out, and she wants my attention. And if I lose this track, then I have to go back almost to the beginning and try it again. And so. I get in trouble because I’m not a multitasker. I’m pretty much one thing by one thing. And I’ve. I’ve had to learn. To be careful. How I transition., if I get upset and close the computer,, quickly, all of a sudden she reads it as, oh, yeah, I’m interrupting you. I’m sorry. And it becomes an issue. Yes.

Bob (00:19:34) – , it’s my fault. Yeah., we do have to communicate that, you know, how she. If if she wants my attention, saying Baba needs it. I need to discuss some things with you. So when you have a break, can you come? Can we talk? Okay, that’s that’s fair, but it doesn’t always work out that way. But for me, I have to devote my full attention to her because it communicates more than words. Yes, it’s nonverbal and they communicate more than your words. Same with your kids like you were talking about. They are more perceptive. Than you think they do.

Ed (00:20:11) – They are very perceptive and observant. I am thinking of an example with Marie., and these are these are topics I want to explore maybe in another season or later. But I have come to the conclusion there’s no such thing as multi-tasking and there’s no such thing as balance. And I have explanations for that. And I tell people’s thinking, even though we use the phrase and and that will be different topics, I want to talk about them.

Ed (00:20:34) – However,, this I learned this the hard way with Marie. It happened here in my office, here in the building. I’m I’m doing exactly what you’re doing. I’m answering email or writing something. My my laptop is up like it is right now. I’m focused on it. My wife comes in on the other side of my desk with my laptop open. I’m typing and listening to her, and all of a sudden I hear you having a word, a word I’ve said. And I said, no, I did hear it, you know, and you and I, I, I, I gave back the words. I kind of like how I do with Spanish, I don’t know Spanish, but if I pick up on every other word because I do know some words, I could figure out what somebody’s saying for the most part., and I kind of was like that with Maria. I picked up a couple words and come to the conclusion, and she walked over and did something that nobody else would be willing to do.

Ed (00:21:23) – She just closed my computer and she said, enough of this. This was a this was a really a moment in our marriage where it was I needed to if I hadn’t respond the way I did, I think it would have been worse. And she just she closed and she says, I need you to pay attention to me. You cannot pay attention to your computer. And she just she rebuked me in a way that was, you know, that I needed. And she was kind, but she was firm I which now I do it myself, whether it’s her if you if my my laptop is open right now because I’m using it for my computer and we’re having a conversation. But if you were in my office and you came in and you walk in my office and my computer is open and you’re in my office, I don’t need you to close it, I’m going to close it so that even if I didn’t, even if I could train myself to look over. I want to communicate to you, right.

Ed (00:22:13) – That you’re the most important. You’re in my office.. So. Yeah. What do you need? I can pick this up later. And like you said, there are different times. Like, if it was office here,, and I couldn’t be interrupted, my door would be closed. Right. Although now we put big windows on our door. So now people can just stand at the window and look at me and I’m like, okay, come on in. But,, this is very important what you just shared, whether it’s our spouse, whether it’s each other like this, how we communicate value by paying attention to someone, by rearranging our life, by sacrificing. And it really becomes a sacrifice where, you know what, Bob?, for your wife, you’re going to lose your train of thought. So just deal with it. Right?, and you’re like, no, I don’t want to deal with it. Exactly. That’s my flesh in the spirit. Because there’s a phrase.

Ed (00:23:00) – I know Marie’s voice like, I know I’ve been with her a long time. I know her voice. And I know this phrase,, in a particular tone, means I’m not going to be able to sit down for very long wherever I’m at in the house. And it’s just this. Hey. And set a certain way. She wants some action for me. She’s going to want me to get up. Go do something. I will need to give her my full. And it comes from all over corners of the house. I didn’t even know she was. I didn’t even know her house was that big. It echoes through the house., but it’s it’s part of that. I mean, maybe there’s again, more episodes on marriage and ministry, but it’s dwelling with your wife and understanding. When I hear that voice, I need to die to myself and give her my full attention, not my partial attention, because it is agape love. It is self-sacrificial, right? It is the way of Jesus who touched the hem of my garment.

Ed (00:24:00) – That’s what’s most important right now. Who touched the hem on my garment? Who needs my attention? And one of the hindrances that I see in my own life, Bob. And I’m sure you guys listening in see it too, is is I measure that interruption by my needs and wants, and I don’t value that it’s important to you. I relegate whatever you need is less important than what I’m doing right now, which then is a value statement on you and you’re not important to me. And it just like it’s just unnecessary.

Bob (00:24:30) – Yeah, it’s practical things. It’s part of discipleship. I think those are practical,, points of discipleship. Even with our kids. Yeah, that in our discipling of our kids, we say, listen, you know, this is this is how we work out issues here. We don’t ignore it. We don’t throw it under the carpet. We don’t just yell at you and be quiet. You know, we work it out. We we do the confrontation, do the repentance.

Bob (00:24:59) – And this full attention issue is also a discipleship issue. And because as a society, we are such a cancel culture. If I don’t like you, if you offend me, you’re out of my life. And you know, we’re just a throwaway kind of a society. And it it’s so permeates., it’s kind of like a barking dog in the back. You know, where you go. And I don’t need this. I’m out of here. And that’s not walking in love. You’re called to walk in agape love. Not just by what you say, but your actions. The nonverbals. Yeah.

Ed (00:25:34) – Pay attention to the one in front of you. Make them the most important. You want to be more effective in ministry. The people that are in front of you, you’re not. Don’t do it superficially., it’s the truth. The truth is the person in front of you. And, you know, one of the things that that we try,, and and we want to have a culture here among our leaders is we don’t make fun of people.

Ed (00:26:00) – , we don’t make fun of behaviors. We don’t,, you know, we don’t we don’t call names. And if we do, we repent. Like, that is not from the Lord., the the challenging situations. That’s what they are. They’re challenging., God has invited us into their lives. God has given us the privilege of serving them. And, you know, think back how you walked in., you know, I remember,, I am unique and weird to people, and I don’t need to be called that. I just am. I’m just unique. I’m not like anyone else. You’re not like anyone else. And so for those challenging people, this is another thing. And again, like just thinking about all these like if it’s so another pet peeve of mine is when pastors will get up and go, I love the ministry, but I hate the people. Like, get out of the ministry bro. Because ministry is people. And if you’re really saying if you’re really saying that I don’t like the challenges people give, if you’re really saying I don’t like the difficulties, if you’re really, then say that.

Ed (00:27:02) – Don’t say you hate people or don’t like people or I love the ministry. I love the easy parts of ministry, but I don’t like paying attention to the one in front of me. I don’t like the person that comes up all the time. I don’t like the person with the that sends me all those emails. Stop it. Because like you, God is like, don’t harden your heart toward them. Ministry is people, situations. We don’t have to like, difficulties we don’t have to like, but people like. At the very least, let’s talk about them in a way that will facilitate us liking them, not distancing us father from them.

Bob (00:27:38) – You know, feeding my lambs, feeding my sheep. That’s easy. We can just throw out information. But tending is the messy work. Tending is the hard work. Tending is the work that doesn’t ever stop.

Ed (00:27:49) – That’s right. So pay attention to the person in front of you as we come to another close of an episode. I hope this is helpful for you.

Ed (00:27:56) – It is for us. Whether it hits the home right now or it’s for the future., pay attention to the one in front of you., don’t look over their shoulders. Don’t look to someone. More important. They are God. Placed them there. Walk in agape love. This is the Lead to Serve podcast. My name is Editor Taylor. We pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora. The website for Calvary Church is Calvary Echo Dot church. I don’t think I mentioned it the whole season. Calvary Coat Church, my personal website. Ed Bob, do you have a website? You do, don’t you?

Bob (00:28:31) – Yeah. Bob at Bob Clay

Ed (00:28:34) – Right. So his personal email Bob at Bob Clay camp com. Also he was able to secure So Bob Clay

Bob (00:28:43) – So all my messages since the late 90s and the sermon notes are on that site.

Ed (00:28:48) – Fantastic. So if you want to connect with Bob and his ministry of teaching,, you want to connect with him personally, please do.

Ed (00:28:57) – , our website at the church here at Calvary Coat Church. Remember, send us info, email us, give us feedback, give us ideas for future episodes. You can text me directly (720) 608-0012 or you can email me editor It has to Until next time.. The Lord encourage and strengthen and bless you as you seek to serve him.

Host (00:29:23) – Thank you for joining us for this episode of Lead to Serve with Pastor Ed Taylor, a leadership podcast from Calvary Church in Aurora, Colorado. If you have a leadership question you want to hear answered on a Future Lead to Serve podcast, please email it to Pastor Ed at Calvary Coat Church. And if you like our podcast, please subscribe, rate or review us on iTunes and share us with your friends on social media. Thanks again for joining us, and we’ll see you next time right here on the Lead to Serve podcast.


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